Horrifying Story of Failure of Prayer

Follow the link to hear about the complete ignorance and stupidity of parents who let their daughter die of diabetes and didn't do anything medically to save her and the simple act of taking her to a doctor or a hospital to save her life but instead let her die on EASTER!!!

http://cdn4.libsyn.com/ffrf/FTradio_162_053009.mp3?nvb=20090712053121&nva=20090713054121&t=04c76f2abd2e5c2706e8d


This Podcast will sicken you to no end over what these people did to this poor girl who needed medical assistance to deal with her diabetes and her parents, siblings and others who knew about her condition just prayed.

This practice lead to the mother being convicted of murder and rightly so. This is one of the most horrifying stories of allowing a person to die from neglect especially when her condition could have been corrected by proper medical care.

Obviously people like this mother should be jailed and their children who are in serious danger from her and others like her must be investigated and the proper authorities take the action necessary to remove and protect the children and to help them to receive the psychiatric treatment to remove the programming and take the steps to stop this deadly belief system from further infecting this country to prevent any other children from being harmed or killed.

Any belief system forced upon children should be investigated to minimize the effects and to insure that the children are kept safe from the brain washing that caused this and other deaths to people for neglecting the medical care they need to cure them not only from immediate medical emergencies but to remove the devastating effects of limiting the person's available remedies to prayer which has never been proven to have any effect let alone changing even the mental attitude of anyone engaging in this practice.

Comments are invited from responsible people who can think independently from brainwashed mind numbing ideologies that follow this fascist agenda.

TFR

Rational Response Squad

Some time ago I happened upon an essay by an Athiest named Rook Hawkins entitled :

A Silence That Screams

This essay by the then 24 year old struck me as something that should be easily refuted and yet try as I might I couldn't do it. I took the essay to a Christian Podcast Forum and posted it there and not one of them could do it either.

Oh they tried, but not one of the bible thumpers could even hold to the secular premise let alone accept that the facts were there and quite simply accurate. The entire matter quickly earned me a suspension for daring to bring the essay to the forum and they were absolutely incensed by the fact I was not convinced that they hadn't beaten this "kid" as they called the author.

I could only laugh at the stupidity and shear ignorance of those who through their own frustration proved the author correct and that their position and fundamentalist and evangelical religious ideology completely and utterly without foundation.

The link is here: http://www.rationalresponders.com/silence_screams_no_contemporary_historical_accounts_quotjesus#comment-157635

Go ahead give it a try and remember that Josephus didn't write anything about the Jesus of the New Testament, those two entires are confirmed to be forgeries and inserted many years later by Christians and those entries are credited with saving Josephus's written work, so some good did come from the forgeries after all.

Good luck....

TFR

Sarah Palin Leaves Alaska Hanging

Sarah Palin announced today that she was quitting as Governor of Alaska and leaving office as of July 26, 2009.

This woman has an amazing following who seemingly don't get what she really is and that is a vindictive person capable of carrying out a ridiculous amount of retaliation against anyone who simply tells the truth about her and one minute she is fine and the next she is engaging in an all out war to get them at all costs. The News Media grants her airtime and enormous amounts of coverage and for what? So she can flip back and forth over meaningless nothings that most people wouldn't give a second thought about much less much of a first, but not Palin she is utterly ruthless in her campaign to eradicate anyone she decides speaks about her and it is Palin who can't realize that.

Look at the fact that she kept her pregnancy secret for 7 months and did the following:

Palin—, after all, who kept a pregnancy secret for seven months, flew all the way home from Texas to Alaska with a near-full-term baby while leaking amniotic fluid, and then finally drove the 45 minutes from Anchorage to a hospital in Wasilla, all so that the child could be born in the 49th state.

(source - http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/08/sarah-palin200908?printable=true&currentPage=all)

She now has a baby with down syndrome and has sent out emails that signed as God. She has also made a number of statements claiming that it is because of God's will that America is in the Iraq war when it is clear that Bush and Cheney lied to get us into it. She has made so many ridiculous announcements concerning God that questions about whether or not she can actually separate reality from fantasy or how long has it been since she could and even that is doubtful.

For a Governor to quit with a major crisis facing the State in which they were elected voluntarily and possibly due to declining popularity should be a major concern since this person was at one time possibly the next Vice President of America and with her inability to deal with just everyday situations let alone serious problems that exist in the Oval Office is frighteningto think about. What if McCain and Palin HAD been elected and McCain was suddenly unable to function as President, that would have allowed this whack job to run the Country as Commander in Chief and with her fundamentalist ideology mind controlled religious state America might have been involved in nuclear war!!

People wake up religious whack jobs like Palin need to undergo serious evaluation by qualified psychiatrists and then quietly put on medication in a nice safe padded room where they can't hurt themselves and especially anyone else. She is still out there and undoubtedly going to seek higher office and the fundies whack jobs will assist her and this is a person that is a candidate for the funny farm.

Until the fundies and evangelicals are finally fully recognized as the fascist regime working toward bringing about the Fourth Reich and the return to a complete institution of fascist Germany no one is going to be safe from the religious whackos and they have sufficient monetary backing and enough media clout to accomplish it!

Make sure that in the next elections you vote and absolutely insure that the perosn you vote for has at the very least a firm grip on reality and not a brainwashed, mind controlled pulpit puppet llike this Palin character! If these folks get back in they won't stop at what Bush did, but make sure that the takeover is made complete and any recollections of Constitutional law is over and done with for good! They won't give you any room and the complete institution of Marshall law with monitoring and the full implementation of every possible restriction for non fundies will prevent anyone who isn't of the minions to live any kind of a life without their conversion and if you think the Inquisition was bad look at the Torture that was used and considered legal.
Just think about what they will do next and there won't be any escape.

These folks want to control you and the rest of the world, to force everyone under their control and will stop at nothing to get there. Laws won't protect you, look at FACE ACT violations and what happened to Dr. Tiller, he was killed by a religious fundie whacko and nothing was done to stop him and he was caught with weapons, explosives and the authorities were told several times and did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO PREVENT HIS EXECUTION And the media allows the killer to have air time!!!

No Palin and her ilk must not be allowed to access to any office and only clear thinking, non fanatical people with a balanced approach to religious views can be allowed ot hold office. Nutjobs and seriously deranged people like Palin need medical help not fund raising for elected office.

Palin needs to just leave the rest of us alone and stay in her little town away from the normal folks who want nothing from her and certainly nothing to do with her. She needs to live a long life tucked away in a nice padded cell and kept sedated to prevent having to listen to her.

If you can't see that Palin IN MY OPINION is in serious need of psychiatric evaluation then you aren't paying attention as anyone with that much attachment to fundie ideology gave us mothers that hack kids to pieces to save them from demons, a Sunday school teacher on trial for doping and raping and killing a little girl, abortion killers, terrorism and the list continues.

Decide for yourself and determine that you either make sure that these religious whack jobs stay out of office and away from the rest of us or be ready to become a fascist zombie in the next election.

Here is a link that very carefully examines Sarah Palin's claims of "millions of dollars" were spent to investigate a defend her for ethics complaints and "her contention" that she was "EXONERATED OF ALL CHARGES"

http://www.henkimaa.com/2009/07/07/the-2-million-dollar-meme/

Please take the time to read through it and make your own determination of what happened, what Sarah Palin did, said and the validity of her representations and then comment here after reading it through, and IF you still believe she was exonerated and innocent of wrongdoing then explain it, while giving your examples from the linked article and simply prove it.
This of course is my opinion but if you carefully examine the facts you might agree as well.

TFR

Evangelical and Fundamentalist Churches are losing the Youth Members

Recent articles about the vast amount of younger members leaving the evangelical/fundamentalist churches in amazing numbers.

Ken Ham, a evangelical creationist spends a great deal of time whining about how he is unable to convince people that his belief in creationism should be theirs and simply can't understand that his religious beliefs are not science. Ham has difficulty in grasping the simple fact that people no longer blindly accept his stupid and very ignorant position that has already been tested on every possible level and even lost in a Court of Law with the leading "scientists" of his ilk having ample time to put forth every argument they could and lost.

Creationism is not science, his brand of religion goes against the very teachings of the original ideology and even prevents and prohibits it's members from exercising original thinking that contradicts his ideology. In fact one needs only to argue a point with one like Ham and once that person is seeming to come around to logic and actual facts another will cquickly jump in and cause the mind control buzz words to make them snap back into the brainwashed blankness that permeates the evangelical/fundamentalist brand of so-called religion.

No wonder people and not just the young have no use for it, with politicians violating core ideology while proclaiming that others must adhere showing everyone it is do as I say , not as I do mentality among even the most recognized membership. The utter ignorance and stupidity is so blatant that it no longer needs anyone to point it out but for anyone to just watch and listen as it will only be a short time until examples from the fundamental/evangelical movement gives one and most likely several. The sad part of it is that they will do so and most likely be unaware they did, then continue claiming to be victims for people alerting them to their actions.

When will this group finally be investigated to protect the children form abuse and the mental anguish that is demonstrated so often by the examples paraded across the tv screen with mothers hacking their kids to pieces to save them from perceived demons and devils, to sunday school teachers who drug, molest, rape and kill children then pretend that it was ordained by their god.

The actions of those people are not of Christianity, nor are they even close or remotely connected to anything that was, is or will be True Christianity. The movement has imploded, it is a disaster, it is resorted fascist terrorism and will continue until the cult behavior is investigated and determined to be not religious but simply the next phase of fascism and thereby able to be stopped, stopped via only legal methods, no violence, no headlines, just simply provide the help these people need and should be given to help them to recover from this bad reliance upon the fascist agenda and not religion.

TFR

The Truth about the Bible

It is well passed time for someone to point out the truth about the Bible and to put an end to this evangelical/fundamentalist propaganda that it is the incontravertible word of God.

First of all there are hundreds of versions of the book commonly called the Bible and not one single version is the authoritative text, nor can any group make valid claims that it is.

There are far too many contradictions in each of the various texts to reconcile the differences and to make any claims that it is something beyond a book that may be based upon historical events and yet it has never been nor will it ever be more than an historical novel containing morality stories written by men to record the stories in an attempt to preserve the cultural myths of the people it stemmed from originally. Putting out a different version or even interpretation and making assertions that one person said something when there is absolutely no proof from the secular world that proves existence of an individual called "Jesus" or that he ever said a single word if, indeed he did exist and since not one shred of evidence for valid secular sources exist that speaks to the claimed miracles and other supernatural events that should exist if the events actually happened.

The ONLY evidence that can be looked at has already been proved to be simply inserted by religious zealots who wanted to somehow validate their beliefs which did one thing and that was to help preserve the writings of Josephus, but now have been shown to be forgeries and therefore leaving nothing for those who create revisionist historical accounts can now stop since they have nothing and to continue is a violation of the very Commandments they tout daily for the rest of America to follow.

It is well past time for Americans to listen to politicians who violate the law, and the codes of their claimed faiths to remain in office and they especially should be removed immediately to prove that those belonging to the fundie ideology actually mean what they claim and to stop giving lip service alone to keep those violators in power as it only serves to illustrate and demonstrate to everyone that their rules have no merit nor need to be abided by.

The shear numbers of religious sites alone should illustrate to everyone that this is nothing more than a group determined to force conversion on the world and they are after Americans via unconstitutional laws, hate crimes and complete reluctance and blockage of every possible effort to restore America to the Constitutional Secular Country it was intended to be and not the fascist state that the remaining members of the fundies strive to force upon us.

It certainly is well past time to allow this type of fascist takeover to continue. Remember to vote for candidates who are NOT a follower of the fundamentalist/evangelical organizations. Remember that your Civil Rights are always at stake and to only vote in those who will uphold them. Remember to allow these fascists to continue and remain silent is to enable them to hold on and remain a threat to your rights, your beliefs and that the people of Germany were guilty of sitting by when the same thing happened in Germany and allowed the fascist there to take control, don't let the fascists fundies do that here.

TFR

A question to fundies on Divorce

Here is a quote to ponder and I would like all those who claim to follow the teachings of Jesus to justify how, when the topic of divorce

is clearly explained in direct,and specific terms from statements attributed to have been spoken by Jesus, that his instructions are ignored!

"In Matthew 19:4b-9, Jesus said:

"Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh.

Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate. They said to Him, ‘Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?’ He said to them, ‘Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wife, but from the beginning it was not so. And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits

adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.”

Jesus’ disciples were nervous at this teaching. In fact, since Jesus made divorce much more difficult to attain than Moses did, they wondered aloud if marriage was such a good thing after all (“If such is the case of the man with his wife, it is better not to marry."

Matthew 19:10). Like many people today, the disciples thought the fidelity and permanence taught by Jesus might be too difficult for anyone to follow. "

So why after this is so specific and detailed do Christians. especially those Fundamentalists/Evangelicals who constantly want to force everyone to believe as they do, practice as they do and continue to proselytize to everyone NOT ADHERE to this command?

The problem is quite obvious, those who make claims simply disregard what they want and then apply to everyone else what they happen to find useful to bolster their positions. There is absolutely no desire to conform to the teachings of Jesus when it prevents a
fundamentalist/evangelical from breaking the rules of the Bible and especially Jesus whom they will always claim to follow and yet only wind up paying lip service whenever when they need to avoid the command.


TFR

Worthless Wisdom from the Woodpulp Worshippers

It is past time where the media coverage of the worthless wisdom from the wood pulp Worshippers need to be heard even more so listened to by America!

We need to call those who spread their ideology through the constant whines and complaints calling for people to dialog with them then ignore the questions asking them for their proof they even warrant considering as valid. Have you noticed that whenever you ask one of the evangelicalistas a question as to their reasons about an issue they simply resort to questioning your intent or trying to turn it around to questioning you on an unrelated line which tangentially changes the discourse to a completely different area with nothing to do with the original issue that begun the discussion?

It never fails, they just run and dodge every time that anyone even bothers to try to engage in intelligent discourse. All the while they continue to claim no one listens to them or takes them seriously. Well to all the fundies and evangelicalistas..... I am asking and after several years still waiting for you to come clean. So how about it? Can any of you self proclaimed righteous revisionists actually bring anything forward to answer the questions I and many others have asked and been asking since you reared you loud mouths and even uglier political agendas?

I doubt any of them will have the guts to respond much less answer on any forum this request, but I keep trying and others will as well, but as any thinking person not under their mind control knows they don't have nor did they ever have answers, only their ideology that is neither True Christianity or believeable at best.

TFR

Piercing the Darkness podcast

Over the past few years I have subscribed to a podcast called Piercing the Darkness. by Derek and Sharon Gilbert.

This couple put out a half hour to hour podcasts covering various issues with as they term it a "Christian perspective". Now ordinarily this is seemingly harmless and would appeal to folks who are Christian and occasionally others who listen to what another is saying even thought their personal beleifs might differ.

Well if you happen to catch any of these long enough and that would be exactly a single episode and if you aren't some brainwashed mind controlled fundie or evangelicalista the reporting and facts become quite clear they are simply inventing them as they need to support their stories.

The most humorous interviews are those that feature folks like fundie whack jobs Russ Dizdar and Patrick Herron. These two are especially disconnected from reality in that they make the most outrageous claims and then spout dark ages based reliance that would have even the worst Inquisition member stand up and scream BS! There are others but these suffice to illustrate the ignorance and stupidity inherent in this podcast.

The Gilberts for quite some time even had a Forum ( they turned it over to another person under their control) and invited listeners to comment claiming the entire time to be for factual and truthful discussion. Well that all sounds good until you get to the part of factual and truthful and that is where the whole thing dissolves into conflict with their fundie beliefs. It results in suspending anyone and then blocking them from commenting where the person commenting is able to support their arguments and opinions and the Gilberts being found to have gone as far as fabricating their facts and on several occasions been caught lying only to be proved liars and then trying to cover it up!

So remember when listening to those "Christian" podcasts you have to make sure they are True Christians that actually follow the teaching of Christianity and not like Derek and Sharon Gilbert who can't handle the truth and run away to avoid further emabarassment from those who can argue and back up their comments, unlike those Gilberts who have to invent their stories and then when caught can't hang.

So for a good laugh go to the forum and let them know that True Christians don't lie and then hide they hang in there and deal with reality like normal people.

Do keep in mind that if you happen to register on their forum and are capable of putting forth arguments that they don't agree with and unable to refute, you will be suspended and barred from posting on it.

TFR

Are Mind Controlled Fundamentalists & Evangelical Christians Committing Crimes?

There have been a large number of religiously motivated crimes committed in the past few years and those crimes are largely due to people acting out their religious beliefs by either hurting, maiming or even killing others of different religious denominations and/or children to young to fight back and defend themselves.

It is horrific to talk about but it seems that you can't discuss this on Forums as those who claim to be Christian are either unable to realize this is now a serious matter and there needs to be investigation into the actions or that the users are simply refusing to accept reality and continue to deny the problem even exists.

Recently, I brought up this topic and posted evidence to back up this position only to find out that many simply refused to accept the proof from a newspaper article or even the Court Documents. They continued to deny that the "Killer who got life without parole" for attacking Unitarian Universalist Congregation during a church service, acted to kill those present for being un-Christian and un-American!

The pastor of his church had commented upon (this killer) mental instability and yet did nothing to prevent him from acting on the ideas he had formulated as a result of sermons he heard from the pastor interviewed. Now, that pastor knew what this person intended to do and did absolutely nothing to alert authorities or anyone else but just stood by and said nothing. The media has had little coverage beyond just basic reporting of this event and related events like the mother who hacked her children up to save them from demons, or the botched exorcisms by grossly overweight clergy who smothered a little child to death.

How many more people have to be hurt or killed before the churches that are planting these ideas in people are investigated and the individuals causing the problem dealt with legally and with the necessary severity to put an end to this type of hatred spreading dogma that is becoming more and more the norm?

Apparently a person can't discuss a topic of this nature with anyone from a Fundamentalist or Evangelical Forum as they seem to be in complete and utter denial about what is being taught to them and especially their children at Jesus Camps.

One only has to look at what was contained in the documentary of the same name then compare it to past films from the Hitler Youth movement to see the evidence that the fascist techniques are being employed to condition a new generation of recruits and they will be fully programmed to carry out the will of those in charge. If there is a NWO it is not from the secret societies, it is from the Fundamentalist and Evangelicals who are training converts to act and enforce the dogma and doctrines of their leaders.

What better way to divert the attention of the public then to yell often and loudly to look the other way while they build their ranks from unsuspecting people thinking and being duped into believing their are following Jesus, when it is just Fascism disguised as religion. Hitler did exactly the same thing in 1930's Germany and it happening again in America in the 21st Century with the public ignoring the proof right before their eyes.

Look at the facts and determine for yourself if you still have the ability to see it, if you can't recognize the evidence then you are not being objective and simply allowing the 4th Reich to reappear.

This may be shocking to some readers but it is not too late to take back your religion from those who would have you follow the course of evil.

LINKS:

http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=104&sid=1307170

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/feb/09/knoxville-church-shooter-was-hate-crime/

http://www.knoxnews.com/photos/galleries/2008/jul/30/073008churchgal/

http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/000451.html

http://blogs.kansascity.com/crime_scene/2006/07/yates_not_guilt.html

TFR