Mindcontrolled fundies and brainwashed evangelicals

Ever noticed when an evangelical or fundie (god squad) posts something with reference to an alleged or propose future effect of the proposed Matthew Sheppard Hate Crime Bill, seems to always, always always leave out information and facts.

Here is an example I was given on christian forum for abuses of hate crime legislation against a christian pastor:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/story/2007/11/30/boissoin-ruling.html

"Pastor, Christian coalition violated human rights law, Alberta panel rules

Last Updated: Friday, November 30, 2007 | 4:37 PM MT

CBC News

A former pastor and the Christian group he belonged to broke Alberta's human rights law by writing an anti-gay letter published in a Red Deer newspaper, a panel ruled Friday.

In 2002, Stephen Boissoin wrote a letter to the editor of the Red Deer Advocate that compared gay people to pedophiles and drug dealers. It was published under the headline "Homosexual agenda wicked."

'There are some reasonable lines that need to be drawn and some responsibilities that come along with free speech.'—Darren Lund, complainant

Darren Lund, a high school teacher in Red Deer at the time, complained to the Alberta Human Rights Commission that the letter was a hate crime after a gay teenager was attacked in the city.

On Friday, a commission panel decided Boissoin and the Concerned Christian Coalition of which he was executive director violated human rights law because the letter likely exposed gays to hatred and contempt.

"I find that there is a circumstantial connection between the hate speech of Mr. Boissoin and the CCC and the beating of a gay teenager in Red Deer less than two weeks following the publication of Mr. Boissoin's letter," wrote panel chairwoman Lori Andreachuk.

Lund, now a professor who teaches social justice in Calgary, was pleased with Friday's ruling after a five-year fight.

"I think the ruling was very strong on that, that you can't just hide behind saying something is my opinion or my belief and that somehow allows hate speech," he said.

"So I think that's essentially what the ruling enforces is that in this case there are some reasonable lines that need to be drawn and some responsibilities that come along with free speech."

'Clearly, the freedom of expression has been suppressed so we're disappointed.'—Jim Blake, Concerned Christian Coalition

Lund said he does not regret raising the complaint despite receiving hate mail and death threats.

Jim Blake, the current head of the Christian group, said all Canadians should be allowed to speak freely.

"Clearly, the freedom of expression has been suppressed so we're disappointed," Blake said.

Penalty to be determined

The panel has yet to decide on a punishment for Boissoin or the coalition, but Lund said if a fine is imposed, he'd like to see the money go to the Alberta Teachers Association's diversity, equity and rights committee.

During the human rights hearing in July, Boissoin testified that the coalition's CEO at the time, Craig Chandler, was aware of the letter and supported him.

Chandler won the Alberta Conservative party nomination in Calgary-Egmont earlier this month.

The Tory executive is reviewing his candidacy on Saturday because of concerns about comments he made on his radio show against homosexuality and same-sex marriage.

• This story is now closed to commenting."

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You will of course immediately notice that the person cited, charged and convicted was FORMER PASTOR and this was a LETTER published in a newspaper which lead to a teenager being attacked and beaten following the publication.

The bigoted comments lead to the attacks, the comparing of pedophiles, drug dealers, etc., never seems to stop and the comments were made by an INDIVIDUAL, FORMER PASTOR, NOT DURING A SERMON but on his own time and nothing to do with religious observance or inside of a church druing religious business.

this was immediately seen by the poster as violations of the bigots religious freedoms and the facts explaining the events were completely ignored and seen by the fundie poster as if the person who wrote the letter was now victimized for inciting the violent beating the teenager suffered as direct result of the letter!

All the godsquadders see is pastor conviction and nothin else. They disregard the rest of the story as if it were written as pastor convicted for practicing his religion!!

The Matthew Sheppard Hate Crime legislation must be passed immediately and enforced with a rath of biblical proportion against these godsquadders. Only then will the sermons change to admonishing hte attendees to believe the pastor and NOT take to the streets to attack others who don't follow their ridiculous ideology of hatred and self victimization.

Once the godsquaddersare made to see the reality of the secular law enforced and that their beliefs do not give them the right to enforce their ideology on others will be the wake up call to them to change this all out effort to convert America and the world.

The godsquadders seem to think their bible has always been in print and that no other philosophy, religion or standard exist prior to or afterward for people to follow. they carry on as if they alone decide what is right and wrong and no one can say otherwise and no amount of factual data or proof is sufficient to change their thinking.

TFR

The Truth about the Bible

It is well passed time for someone to point out the truth about the Bible and to put an end to this evangelical/fundamentalist propaganda that it is the incontravertible word of God.

First of all there are hundreds of versions of the book commonly called the Bible and not one single version is the authoritative text, nor can any group make valid claims that it is.

There are far too many contradictions in each of the various texts to reconcile the differences and to make any claims that it is something beyond a book that may be based upon historical events and yet it has never been nor will it ever be more than an historical novel containing morality stories written by men to record the stories in an attempt to preserve the cultural myths of the people it stemmed from originally. Putting out a different version or even interpretation and making assertions that one person said something when there is absolutely no proof from the secular world that proves existence of an individual called "Jesus" or that he ever said a single word if, indeed he did exist and since not one shred of evidence for valid secular sources exist that speaks to the claimed miracles and other supernatural events that should exist if the events actually happened.

The ONLY evidence that can be looked at has already been proved to be simply inserted by religious zealots who wanted to somehow validate their beliefs which did one thing and that was to help preserve the writings of Josephus, but now have been shown to be forgeries and therefore leaving nothing for those who create revisionist historical accounts can now stop since they have nothing and to continue is a violation of the very Commandments they tout daily for the rest of America to follow.

It is well past time for Americans to listen to politicians who violate the law, and the codes of their claimed faiths to remain in office and they especially should be removed immediately to prove that those belonging to the fundie ideology actually mean what they claim and to stop giving lip service alone to keep those violators in power as it only serves to illustrate and demonstrate to everyone that their rules have no merit nor need to be abided by.

The shear numbers of religious sites alone should illustrate to everyone that this is nothing more than a group determined to force conversion on the world and they are after Americans via unconstitutional laws, hate crimes and complete reluctance and blockage of every possible effort to restore America to the Constitutional Secular Country it was intended to be and not the fascist state that the remaining members of the fundies strive to force upon us.

It certainly is well past time to allow this type of fascist takeover to continue. Remember to vote for candidates who are NOT a follower of the fundamentalist/evangelical organizations. Remember that your Civil Rights are always at stake and to only vote in those who will uphold them. Remember to allow these fascists to continue and remain silent is to enable them to hold on and remain a threat to your rights, your beliefs and that the people of Germany were guilty of sitting by when the same thing happened in Germany and allowed the fascist there to take control, don't let the fascists fundies do that here.

TFR

Judicial Activisim

Each time I hear or read about yet another claim of "Judicial Activisim", I have to laugh as Judges interpret the law, not legislate. This seems to be a very difficult concept for fundamentalists/evangelicals to grasp in contrast to anyone else who doesn't have any problem with the concept.

The whining is pretty much along the ideology lines for fundies since they either failed in civics or skipped class those days when the three branches of government and the separation of powers were taught to the students in attendance.
During that class they would have learned what I wrote in the first sentence and that would alleviate the need to complain about something they tried to force upon the citizens of their state and stopped. it would be an exceptional day if the court would simply say "this law is nothing but religious ideology and it is Unconstitutional, so, all you fundies and evangelicalistas stop trying to convert everyone". Yes it would be a very great day to finally get that handeddown and then they would be made to stop with their constant stupidity.

Far too often we see the cry of the judges are ruling outside their areas, they went too far, etc.. When it is nothing more than another upset fundie whining that their ridiculous ideology based argument was tossed out as it had no possible merit or validity before the court to begin with.

On forums posts that prove their ideology based rhetoric is incorrect, ill conceived or just plain wrong often results with any responses that help point this out or even any response to their rhetoric is also vunerable to deletion. It can almost be guarranteed that any posts that list accurate historical facts about the Bible, Jesus, Apostles, etc., is most asuredly doomed to deletion if it mentions that they were men, written after the events happened, ( which it would have to be if it talks about the event in past tense!) and/or happens to contain any reference to reality based connections and how the historical accuracy of the writers were off.

There is of course much more to cover on this but for now this will do nicely.

TFR

Another Fundie Breaks their Word

Carrie Prejean was recently dethroned form her Miss California title for breaching her contract and thereby was relieved of her title for doing so.

When Prejean entered the contest she agreed to abide by the terms of the contest knowing full well she would have to make appearances and to act in accordance with the terms that all the past holders of the title have done. In her case she simply used the title to further the agenda of the religious right and to ignore her duties and then soapboxed the agenda of the religious right while whining during her media interviews.

She was given a pass earlier when they should have kicked her to the curb, but instead gave her a chance to meet the terms of the agreement but instead she continued on her reincarnated Anita Bryant campaign to further the goals of the same said agenda.

She has nothing to complain about period. She has to understand that when you sign a contract, especially with her past experience you have to meet the conditions of said contract and that if you didn't intend to do so then you induced the other party fraudulently to honor their end of the contract.

The best way to handle the situation with Prejean is to stop giving her a venue in which she can continue to soapbox for the religious right and to incorrectly state that her discharge was anything but breach, but the media will continue to let this pulpit puppet to rant, whine and complain as long as viewers and listeners will give an ear and eye to the coverage. If you want to stop bigoted commentary then is would be simple enough to just forgo any additional time to her.

It is solely due to her continued complaints about her mistaken interpretations of Constitutional Rights and how glaringly wrong she is about them. One would think with all the people pushing the agenda could at least give her correct legal advice and that way she could at least make the appearance of being informed about reality and not remove any doubt by speaking.

As long as the media grants space the bigots will continue to rant, influence ignorant and uninformed people whose only source of law and civil rights come from their local clergy and the members of their churches. It is past time for allowing ignorance and stupidity to flourish among the people and to finally educate those who live in a fantasy world governed by the particular bible they are read to by their clergy and to have to actually recognize that reality is something that exists and that fantasy is simply that.

The American public simply must recognize that it is long past time to act to put an end to religious ideology being forced upon us and to help those poor deluded people to get the help to recover form the brainwashing that is taking place in those so called places of worship and for people who call themselves Christian to act and practice Christianity as a true Christian.

TFR