Horrifying Story of Failure of Prayer

Follow the link to hear about the complete ignorance and stupidity of parents who let their daughter die of diabetes and didn't do anything medically to save her and the simple act of taking her to a doctor or a hospital to save her life but instead let her die on EASTER!!!

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This Podcast will sicken you to no end over what these people did to this poor girl who needed medical assistance to deal with her diabetes and her parents, siblings and others who knew about her condition just prayed.

This practice lead to the mother being convicted of murder and rightly so. This is one of the most horrifying stories of allowing a person to die from neglect especially when her condition could have been corrected by proper medical care.

Obviously people like this mother should be jailed and their children who are in serious danger from her and others like her must be investigated and the proper authorities take the action necessary to remove and protect the children and to help them to receive the psychiatric treatment to remove the programming and take the steps to stop this deadly belief system from further infecting this country to prevent any other children from being harmed or killed.

Any belief system forced upon children should be investigated to minimize the effects and to insure that the children are kept safe from the brain washing that caused this and other deaths to people for neglecting the medical care they need to cure them not only from immediate medical emergencies but to remove the devastating effects of limiting the person's available remedies to prayer which has never been proven to have any effect let alone changing even the mental attitude of anyone engaging in this practice.

Comments are invited from responsible people who can think independently from brainwashed mind numbing ideologies that follow this fascist agenda.

TFR

England Makes Fundies Treat LGBT Community with Equality

The following article is found at this link:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/5357247/Law-will-force-churches-to-employ-gay-staff.html

England has dealt with the rampant discrimination ongoing in churches against the LBGT community. If America were to take a similar step the LGBT discrimination issue would be further reduced and thus enable those promoting the hate to finally have to interact with people and it would assist them to adapt to acceptance of the LGBT community.

Churches will be banned from turning down gay job applicants on the grounds of their sexuality under new anti-discrimination laws, a Government minister said.

By Matthew Moore -Published: 7:00AM BST 21 May 2009

Religious groups are to be forced to accept homosexual youth workers, secretaries and other staff, even if their faith holds same-sex relationships to be sinful.

Christian organisations fear that the tightened legislation, which is due to come into force next year, will undermine the integrity of churches and dilute their moral message.

It comes amid growing concern that Christians are being unfairly targeted by discrimination laws, following a number of high-profile cases of courts finding against believers who stand up for their faith.

Religious leaders had hoped to lobby for exemptions to the Equality Bill but Maria Eagle, the deputy equalities minister, has now indicated that it will cover almost all church employees.

"The circumstances in which religious institutions can practice anything less than full equality are few and far between," she told delegates at the Faith, Homophobia, Transphobia, & Human Rights conference in London.

"While the state would not intervene in narrowly ritual or doctrinal matters within faith groups, these communities cannot claim that everything they run is outside the scope of anti-discrimination law.

"Members of faith groups have a role in making the argument in their own communities for greater LGBT acceptance, but in the meantime the state has a duty to protect people from unfair treatment."

Under existing equalities legislation, any roles deemed to be necessary "for the purposes of an organised religion" are excluded from gay rights protection.

But the Equality Bill, which is currently passing through parliament, for the first time defines this as applying only to those who lead the liturgy or spend the majority of the time teaching doctrine - essentially just ministers, bishops and their equivalents in other faiths.

A spokesman for the Christian Institute, a religious charity, said that many churchgoers had deep concerns about how the bill would be enforced and accused politicians of hypocrisy.

"It would be absurd to pass a law demanding that the Labour Party employ card-carrying Conservative members, but that is effectively what churches are being told to do. We just want the same exceptions as political parties," he said.

"Christians are sick to the back teeth of equality and diversity laws that put them to the back of the queue. We are quite prepared to accept that people will take a different view to use on moral and ethical questions, but that should not mean we have to withdraw from public life."

Recent cases including the nurse suspended for offering to pray for a patient and the British Airways worker sent home for wearing a visible cross have left many believers afraid to go public with their faith at work.

Neil Addison, a Roman Catholic barrister and expert on religious discrimination law, said that the new legislation would leave churches powerless to defend the fabric of their organisation.

"This is a threat to religious identity. What we are losing is the right for organisations to make free choices," he said.

A spokesman for the Church of England said that while it supports the broad objectives of the Bill it "retains some concerns about the practical application of some specific aspects".

The Equality Bill, which was introduced to the Commons by Harriet Harman, the Minister for Women and Equality, will also strengthen laws against gender, age and disability discrimination.

A Government Equalities Office spokesman said: "The Equality Bill will not force a church to accept someone as a priest regardless of their sexual orientation or gender.

"Churches, synagogues, mosques and others will continue to have the freedom to choose who they employ in jobs which promote their religion. But where they provide services to the public they will have to treat everyone fairly.

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A question to fundies on Divorce

Here is a quote to ponder and I would like all those who claim to follow the teachings of Jesus to justify how, when the topic of divorce

is clearly explained in direct,and specific terms from statements attributed to have been spoken by Jesus, that his instructions are ignored!

"In Matthew 19:4b-9, Jesus said:

"Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh.

Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate. They said to Him, ‘Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?’ He said to them, ‘Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wife, but from the beginning it was not so. And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits

adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.”

Jesus’ disciples were nervous at this teaching. In fact, since Jesus made divorce much more difficult to attain than Moses did, they wondered aloud if marriage was such a good thing after all (“If such is the case of the man with his wife, it is better not to marry."

Matthew 19:10). Like many people today, the disciples thought the fidelity and permanence taught by Jesus might be too difficult for anyone to follow. "

So why after this is so specific and detailed do Christians. especially those Fundamentalists/Evangelicals who constantly want to force everyone to believe as they do, practice as they do and continue to proselytize to everyone NOT ADHERE to this command?

The problem is quite obvious, those who make claims simply disregard what they want and then apply to everyone else what they happen to find useful to bolster their positions. There is absolutely no desire to conform to the teachings of Jesus when it prevents a
fundamentalist/evangelical from breaking the rules of the Bible and especially Jesus whom they will always claim to follow and yet only wind up paying lip service whenever when they need to avoid the command.


TFR

Worthless Wisdom from the Woodpulp Worshippers

It is past time where the media coverage of the worthless wisdom from the wood pulp Worshippers need to be heard even more so listened to by America!

We need to call those who spread their ideology through the constant whines and complaints calling for people to dialog with them then ignore the questions asking them for their proof they even warrant considering as valid. Have you noticed that whenever you ask one of the evangelicalistas a question as to their reasons about an issue they simply resort to questioning your intent or trying to turn it around to questioning you on an unrelated line which tangentially changes the discourse to a completely different area with nothing to do with the original issue that begun the discussion?

It never fails, they just run and dodge every time that anyone even bothers to try to engage in intelligent discourse. All the while they continue to claim no one listens to them or takes them seriously. Well to all the fundies and evangelicalistas..... I am asking and after several years still waiting for you to come clean. So how about it? Can any of you self proclaimed righteous revisionists actually bring anything forward to answer the questions I and many others have asked and been asking since you reared you loud mouths and even uglier political agendas?

I doubt any of them will have the guts to respond much less answer on any forum this request, but I keep trying and others will as well, but as any thinking person not under their mind control knows they don't have nor did they ever have answers, only their ideology that is neither True Christianity or believeable at best.

TFR

Piercing the Darkness podcast

Over the past few years I have subscribed to a podcast called Piercing the Darkness. by Derek and Sharon Gilbert.

This couple put out a half hour to hour podcasts covering various issues with as they term it a "Christian perspective". Now ordinarily this is seemingly harmless and would appeal to folks who are Christian and occasionally others who listen to what another is saying even thought their personal beleifs might differ.

Well if you happen to catch any of these long enough and that would be exactly a single episode and if you aren't some brainwashed mind controlled fundie or evangelicalista the reporting and facts become quite clear they are simply inventing them as they need to support their stories.

The most humorous interviews are those that feature folks like fundie whack jobs Russ Dizdar and Patrick Herron. These two are especially disconnected from reality in that they make the most outrageous claims and then spout dark ages based reliance that would have even the worst Inquisition member stand up and scream BS! There are others but these suffice to illustrate the ignorance and stupidity inherent in this podcast.

The Gilberts for quite some time even had a Forum ( they turned it over to another person under their control) and invited listeners to comment claiming the entire time to be for factual and truthful discussion. Well that all sounds good until you get to the part of factual and truthful and that is where the whole thing dissolves into conflict with their fundie beliefs. It results in suspending anyone and then blocking them from commenting where the person commenting is able to support their arguments and opinions and the Gilberts being found to have gone as far as fabricating their facts and on several occasions been caught lying only to be proved liars and then trying to cover it up!

So remember when listening to those "Christian" podcasts you have to make sure they are True Christians that actually follow the teaching of Christianity and not like Derek and Sharon Gilbert who can't handle the truth and run away to avoid further emabarassment from those who can argue and back up their comments, unlike those Gilberts who have to invent their stories and then when caught can't hang.

So for a good laugh go to the forum and let them know that True Christians don't lie and then hide they hang in there and deal with reality like normal people.

Do keep in mind that if you happen to register on their forum and are capable of putting forth arguments that they don't agree with and unable to refute, you will be suspended and barred from posting on it.

TFR