Is America a "christian nation"?

Concerning the separation of church and state in 1802, Thomas Jefferson wrote a letter replying to the Danbury Baptist. In the letter he stated

“Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.”

Thomas Jefferson, who wrote the Declaration of Independence, gave a clear concise response with regard to an inquiry as to America's status as a "christian nation" and made sure that it was understood it was not.

In the case from 1892, Holy Trinity Church v. The United States of America was a case about immigration, not religion. The facts dealt with an immigration issue and not a strictly religious one.

For proponents to make this into something it is not and then say it decided without any doubt that America is a "christian nation", only means that those who hold to this ridiculous assertion has again practiced a major fundie/evangelical tactic of taking something out of context and then spinning it into something completely different than it originally was intended to mean and extrapolate it into something else entirely.

Desperate fundies seeking to bolster there revisionist historical claims are nothing but a joke to everyone who actually has studied history and can comprehend it. To attempt to even massage or offer such a statement clearly illustrates the ignorance and stupidity of this sect of brainwashed imbiciles, who like lemmings will blindly accept anything from their pudits as long as it purports to furhter their forced takeover of America and to mak eeveryone follow the rest of the herd to their repeated ranting form a book that can't even reconcile it's own contradictions, let alone offer more than just suspect stories that aren't even supportable via it's followers.

Even the sects attorneys somehow fall victim to this habit of failing to recognize fact from fantasy although they suposededly spent years in school and trianign their minds to be capable of doing that.

The bottom line as always is when any fundie/evangelical speaks, writes, or even communicates, one must immediately question their veracity and make them produce their supporting evidence and especially the SECULAR evidence which undoubtly will instantly refute anything they have said that supports their content of some historical reference to "christian nation" hogwash.

Always make them put up and then show them so they can shut up. Only by a concert of effort will Ameirca be returned to it's original intenet and that is a complete separation of church and state and undo the damage already done to it's citizens.

TFR

Horrifying Story of Failure of Prayer

Follow the link to hear about the complete ignorance and stupidity of parents who let their daughter die of diabetes and didn't do anything medically to save her and the simple act of taking her to a doctor or a hospital to save her life but instead let her die on EASTER!!!

http://cdn4.libsyn.com/ffrf/FTradio_162_053009.mp3?nvb=20090712053121&nva=20090713054121&t=04c76f2abd2e5c2706e8d


This Podcast will sicken you to no end over what these people did to this poor girl who needed medical assistance to deal with her diabetes and her parents, siblings and others who knew about her condition just prayed.

This practice lead to the mother being convicted of murder and rightly so. This is one of the most horrifying stories of allowing a person to die from neglect especially when her condition could have been corrected by proper medical care.

Obviously people like this mother should be jailed and their children who are in serious danger from her and others like her must be investigated and the proper authorities take the action necessary to remove and protect the children and to help them to receive the psychiatric treatment to remove the programming and take the steps to stop this deadly belief system from further infecting this country to prevent any other children from being harmed or killed.

Any belief system forced upon children should be investigated to minimize the effects and to insure that the children are kept safe from the brain washing that caused this and other deaths to people for neglecting the medical care they need to cure them not only from immediate medical emergencies but to remove the devastating effects of limiting the person's available remedies to prayer which has never been proven to have any effect let alone changing even the mental attitude of anyone engaging in this practice.

Comments are invited from responsible people who can think independently from brainwashed mind numbing ideologies that follow this fascist agenda.

TFR

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an ambitious project is announced:

http://www.youtube.com/user/davisfleetwood#play/user/C7DED791F6697DCB

Go check this guy out!

I hope he makes it!

TFR

England Makes Fundies Treat LGBT Community with Equality

The following article is found at this link:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/5357247/Law-will-force-churches-to-employ-gay-staff.html

England has dealt with the rampant discrimination ongoing in churches against the LBGT community. If America were to take a similar step the LGBT discrimination issue would be further reduced and thus enable those promoting the hate to finally have to interact with people and it would assist them to adapt to acceptance of the LGBT community.

Churches will be banned from turning down gay job applicants on the grounds of their sexuality under new anti-discrimination laws, a Government minister said.

By Matthew Moore -Published: 7:00AM BST 21 May 2009

Religious groups are to be forced to accept homosexual youth workers, secretaries and other staff, even if their faith holds same-sex relationships to be sinful.

Christian organisations fear that the tightened legislation, which is due to come into force next year, will undermine the integrity of churches and dilute their moral message.

It comes amid growing concern that Christians are being unfairly targeted by discrimination laws, following a number of high-profile cases of courts finding against believers who stand up for their faith.

Religious leaders had hoped to lobby for exemptions to the Equality Bill but Maria Eagle, the deputy equalities minister, has now indicated that it will cover almost all church employees.

"The circumstances in which religious institutions can practice anything less than full equality are few and far between," she told delegates at the Faith, Homophobia, Transphobia, & Human Rights conference in London.

"While the state would not intervene in narrowly ritual or doctrinal matters within faith groups, these communities cannot claim that everything they run is outside the scope of anti-discrimination law.

"Members of faith groups have a role in making the argument in their own communities for greater LGBT acceptance, but in the meantime the state has a duty to protect people from unfair treatment."

Under existing equalities legislation, any roles deemed to be necessary "for the purposes of an organised religion" are excluded from gay rights protection.

But the Equality Bill, which is currently passing through parliament, for the first time defines this as applying only to those who lead the liturgy or spend the majority of the time teaching doctrine - essentially just ministers, bishops and their equivalents in other faiths.

A spokesman for the Christian Institute, a religious charity, said that many churchgoers had deep concerns about how the bill would be enforced and accused politicians of hypocrisy.

"It would be absurd to pass a law demanding that the Labour Party employ card-carrying Conservative members, but that is effectively what churches are being told to do. We just want the same exceptions as political parties," he said.

"Christians are sick to the back teeth of equality and diversity laws that put them to the back of the queue. We are quite prepared to accept that people will take a different view to use on moral and ethical questions, but that should not mean we have to withdraw from public life."

Recent cases including the nurse suspended for offering to pray for a patient and the British Airways worker sent home for wearing a visible cross have left many believers afraid to go public with their faith at work.

Neil Addison, a Roman Catholic barrister and expert on religious discrimination law, said that the new legislation would leave churches powerless to defend the fabric of their organisation.

"This is a threat to religious identity. What we are losing is the right for organisations to make free choices," he said.

A spokesman for the Church of England said that while it supports the broad objectives of the Bill it "retains some concerns about the practical application of some specific aspects".

The Equality Bill, which was introduced to the Commons by Harriet Harman, the Minister for Women and Equality, will also strengthen laws against gender, age and disability discrimination.

A Government Equalities Office spokesman said: "The Equality Bill will not force a church to accept someone as a priest regardless of their sexual orientation or gender.

"Churches, synagogues, mosques and others will continue to have the freedom to choose who they employ in jobs which promote their religion. But where they provide services to the public they will have to treat everyone fairly.

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Evangelistas love to omit facts when reporting a story

Evangelistas or Fundamentalist/Evangelicals if you prefer a more spelled out description of the category of people who continue to rant and rave on their religious leanings on the nonstop effort constantly complaining about how they are victims.

The problem is quite simple in order to be taken seriously you must first cover the whole of an issue when reporting the issues, whereas the common approach from the evangelistas is to selectively report and/or to omit the portion of the true fact pattern which contradicts and disproves their position.

Any normal person reading the evangelista posting simply has to read the numerous accounts from believeable sources which is exactly where the evangelista took it from originally and then creatively edited the story so that it better fit their agenda. Next when challenged for this deceitful conduct their next move is to play victim for being attacked and then attempt to hide behind some fantasy concept they call 1st Amendment rights, something they neither know fully or even worse fail to understand its coverage and applications.

It would be humorous if it weren't for the fact that they have a disinformation campaign ongoing and affect the actual lives of millions of fellow believers who will due to their brain washing will be unable to know that they don't have the whole story but in addition will continue to spread the inaccurate and incorrect material to others who will in turn accpet it unconditionally and not give it the necessary attention to investigate the facts to insure they have the whole story.

The ignorance and stupidity is only compounded by the continuance of this pattern and then they return to their churches and are praised for following the pulpit puppet agenda and to do so blindly and without hesitating one second to check if their lifestyle might be preventing them form being part of reality and then when the information is shown that their own conduct resulted in them being found ignorant and stupid they whine. So they next begin the victim routine hoping for sympathy from folks not under the mind control and when they don't get the hoped for result they simply go back to the methodology that got them there in the first palce, never learning what caused it or taking the necessary steps to correct their behavior to stop the continuance of their own causing.

The cure is to remove the brain washing and to resist the mind control so they can recognize reality from fantasy anf then won't need to continue this game any longer. A True Christian does not follow the Fundamentalist/Evangelical route as their fascist core has no place calling itself a religion let alone Christian.

TFR