In Response to Chuck Colson's Anti- Same Sex Marriage column

It seems that Chuck Colson head of that ole Prison Ministries group has written a couple of articles against same sex marriage and doesn't understand the issues nor the Constitutional Rights he continues to banter on about losing due to the "gay agenda". Were he to do some actual reading he could learn ( I am giving him the benefit of the doubt here) that his claims of violation of the 1st Amendment are simply not true, in fact he doesn't even understand that in order for this particular right to be violated it must be via the Federal Government action an dnot those of private citizens.

The following is from a post to his article reprinted at Christian Post found here:
http://www.christianpost.com/article/20090619/gay-activists-and-religious-freedom/index.html

My responses are here:

IT is a real shame that Chuck Colson doesn't understand the 1st Amendment. He has absolutely no concept of Equal Rights nor does he even intend to educate himself about it.

He is another in a long line of self proclaimed activists to prevent equality and to continue the ignorance about a issue while at the same time promoting the hate filled stance of defending an effort that has no viable secular argument. He forgets that this is not an issue of religious rights being stopped, it is an equal rights issue attacked by those who want to force others to abide by their religious ideology.

Lets see an article by Chuck Colson that illustrates the issues where he step by step covers the secular laws and shows that he can produce secular arguments to support his position. I already did this on several forums and not one secular argument in support of his position was ever given.

The complaints from the religious side are simply not valid as they force others to comply with their ideology and practices of belief and nowhere in those promulgating this attack have any of them ever produced any proof of what they say is true. They don't produce any facts or even show how enforcement of equal rights prevent them from practicing their religious is infringed.

So how does same sex marriage infringe on their 1st Amendment rights? Does it stop them from gathering in their churches? NO! Does it stop them from spreading the same rhetoric in their prayer meetings? NO! Does it prevent them from constantly misstating the facts and misrepresenting the law to others? NO!

So what does same sex marriage do to them? It is quite simple, they don't get to call the shots on others who don't believe as they do. It allows people to be treated equally and that is something those like Chuck Colson can't stand and has to continue to whine about since he and the others like him don't have any real valid reasons against same sex marriage they resort to pretending there is and people who don't think and investigate their claims continue to give them support no matter how wrong they are.

Christians are required to speak the truth, so where is the truth with people like Chuck Colson? Somewhere somehow along the way he must have violated his religious beliefs as they don't support this conduct by him and the others like him, because if they did tell the truth they would have to admit they haven't an argument and they simply want the rest of the world to think, act and do as they do with complete disregard for the truth. So are you a True Christian or a Chuck Colson type of Christian?

Only you can decide to follow Christianity as it is meant to be followed or be a Chuck Colson type of Christian who discards the tenants when it suits them.

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Since I am limited to 3,000 characters I needed to continue in a separate post.

Chuck Colson has stated that his 1st Amendment Rights are being violated by gay activists so lets look at what he claims and find out if it is true or not.

The 1st Amendment restricts the FEDERAL Government from infringing on religious worship AND covers free speech to list two main components of the amendment. Chuck Colson says that his rights are being violated so how are they being violated but doesn't give any evidence of how his rights are violated by the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!

So Chuck Colson, has the Federal Government stopped you from worshiping? NO! Has the FEDERAL Government stopped you from telling others in your church from attending? NO! Has the Federal Government stopped you from believing the religious ideology that you claim to believe? NO!

Has the Federal Government infringed on your ability to post these articles about your position no matter how wrong you are on the subject? NO!

So, Chuck Colson, how are YOUR 1st Amendment Rights being violated by the Federal Government when nothing that would be a violation has taken place?

The simple answer is that Chuck Colson's 1st Amendment Rights have not nor are they going to be violated by same sex marriage. The only effect same sex marriage will have if anything to Chuck Colson is that those people who become recognized will have equality and due to Chuck Colson's religious views he can't allow that to happen.

By the way, Chuck Colson has no problem violating the Rights of same sex couples by having the Federal Government continue to enforce DOMA, as it violates the EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE of the US Constitution!

Funny Chuck Colson seems to know about violations of Constitutional Rights but doesn't know about Equal Protection?

So Chuck Colson care to address my posts and defend your position? He probably won't as he knows he wouldn't win the argument and I have already eliminated any he could bring up.

The interesting fact is that none of the people who think as Chuck Colson does have EVER put forth one valid secular argument and refrained from mentioning their religious beliefs. It would be a refreshing change to have one of those bigoted individuals actually try to argue the issues from a reality point of view and leave their religion for the time it took to comnpose it.

I wonder if it is even possible for those evangelicalistas to even go through an hour let alone a full day where they deal with reality and are capable of thinking outside their programming? I have tried to discuss this rationally and civilly on various Forums where the major agenda there is to push, thump and hammer Funde thought into everyone and it hasn't proved possible either although they constantly make claims that they are so accepting and willing to dialog with anyone. Take a look at my responses there and the other boards I post on and see how manyof my posts are deleted and/or marked inappropriate simply because the truth and facts are simply too much for them to bear and since they can't refute my arguments they resort to deleting, suspensions and out right banning of my accounts.

Now the supporters of Colson's beliefs are free to condemn, name call, invent facts, even outright lie and nothing is done to them, but let someone like me come along and when they aren't capable of winning the argument they just can't ahndle it and play petty little games.

Isn't it strange that they will ask and even try to infest forums to proselytize but you can't even write the truth on their forums because they will not let you. They will refuse to debate anyone like me when they don't have completel control of the media be it a forum, podcast or even television but will spout lie after lie as long as they control the venue and not allow anyone to appear or have airtime to take the opposite position.

Funny isn't it they claim that their 1st Amendments Rights are being violated but have no problem violating the rights of others! I sincerely hope that the Fairness Doctrine is brought back so they won't be able to run and hide and notice how opposed they are to it's reinactment, they claim to speak the truth so why would you be so afraid of fairness and accuracy in reporting?

The reason is clear, if the Fairness Doctrine is brought back they will have to actually report the truth and have to present both sides of the issue without bias and that will lead to the end of their ability to lie and get away with it!

TFR